please share how your wt study went today...
@ KRAMER - I may sound as if I'm being pedantic, but I have never come across a single Scripture which speaks of 144,000 thrones!
I remember that only 12 humans were promised thrones by Christ. Also, the original Greek (see Kingdom Interlinear) at Revelation 5:10 states quite clearly, only that they will reign (not rule as kings) and that they will be on the earth, not over it!
Those Greeks, they really know how to botch up a doctrine, don't they?
everybody knows it's going to pass.
nobody ever asks if possibly that much money for the circuit overseer's whatever isn't a bit too much, or whatever else the congregation is being asked to agree to.
then the call to raise your hand if in favor of doing the "right thing.
The crucial part is putting your hand up immediately after the CoBe (presiding overseer) reads the begging letter from London Branch and confidently declares that "the body of elders wish to put a proposal to the congregation - that we send £XXXXX out of our congregation funds to support the building costs of our new Branch complex."
He shouldn't be allowed time to say, "All those in favour". Get in first, and sit nearer the front so that he will be too embarassed to refuse to ask you what's on your mind, because everyone will see your hand raised!
please share how your wt study went today...
@ SEARCH4TRUTH - The people who mostly quote Proverbs 4:18 are the liars who profess to have a closer relationship with God than you do, and whose fake "insights" have been so exposed that they now have to produce new fake insights to replace the old discredited ones.
By putting your faith in them and their teachings,, you become their disciple, not Christ's!
Do you believe this - "Our.........relationship with God depends on [the Governing Body]? (WT July 15th, p.20 par. 2)
God forgive all who blindly believe this effluent!!
There is "one Mediator between man and God", not 8 + 1!!
i know the wt filed an appeal.
whats the latest regarding the case?.
Thanks JWLEAKS
One particular submission which the WTBTS "Clawyers" tried to use is blatantly anti-Scripture:
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2. It Is a Violation of Appellants' (aka WTBTS) Religious Beliefs, Practices, and Policies for Congregation Elders to Disclose to Congregation Members Information Learned During Spiritual Counseling.
What did Jesus and Paul say was to happen to someone who had committed a serious wrongdoing?
(Matthew 18:17) If he does not listen to them, speak to the congregation. (not just a couple of elders in private)
(1 Timothy 5:20) Reprove before all onlookers (not just a couple of elders in private) persons who practice sin, that the rest also may have fear.
The whole congregation had to be informed regarding the offence, as a severe warning to the rest that such practices would not be tolerated in the Christian congregations.
we all know how heavily indoctrinated is the average jw .in fact there is nothing that will prove to him/her that the gb is not god's channel or is there ?.
think about the following scenario that today seems possible and logical to happen in the near future : the watchtower is constantly telling us that in the future the start of the great tribulation will be the fall of babylon the great (that is the all false religion including so called christian denominations) then there will be an attack on god's people but what if the exact opposite is true ?.
the scenario : due to upcoming court cases conscerning pedophilia and other scandals the society goes bust and shuts operations as a corporation worldwide... and then nothing happens .the life continues as usual ,babylon the great is still standing and all other religions continue operation as they had before .also all jehovah's witnesses remain unaffected by their goverments without persecution or other impliccations.what would that tell the average jw?
"New Light" would flash up - that what we used to believe about the Scriptures below being fulfilled circa 1914 - 1918, was wrong!!
It will now be fulfilled - viola!!
(Revelation 11:7-11) And when they have finished their witnessing, the wild beast that ascends out of the abyss will make war with them and conquer them and kill them. 8 And their corpses will be on the broad way of the great city which is in a spiritual sense called Sod´om and Egypt, where their Lord was also impaled. 9 And those of the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their corpses for three and a half days, and they do not let their corpses be laid in a tomb. 10 And those dwelling on the earth rejoice over them and enjoy themselves, and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those dwelling on the earth. 11 And after the three and a half days spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet, and great fear fell upon those beholding them.
please share how your wt study went today...
@ GRUMBLECAKES & MRQUIK - Combine both your comments;
The structure & ethos of the WTBTS is first and foremost a money-making conglomerate -
1. Rake in donations in various forms from existing members
2. Use some donations to print religious literature to draw in more contributors, and use most of the mammon for investments and purchasing real estate.
Since the gravy train could be heading for the buffers quite rapidly, desperate measures must be taken by the newly-identified Magnificent 8; "consolidate" (shut down, sell off, and merge) branches, thereby reducing costs involving both buildings & staff, "restructure" (reduce number of pages in the Public editions by 50%) magazines, thereby reducing costs greatly.
So much for the Org cutting expenditure - how can more income be sourced? (because we ain't getting a good enough return on the Stock Market!)
Here is where, 'wont appear sound from a human standpoint' could raise its ugly head; "consolidate" (shut down, sell off) Kingdom Halls by merging congregations and selling of the more profitable property.
And/or - "Brothers, as a result of the attacks on Jehovah's earthly organization by Satan & his agents, (pedophile victims) we are in a very precarious financial situation, and reluctantly request that every congregation send the bulk of their bank balance to our HQ, to prevent the collapse of our literature publishing facilities worldwide. Also, whatever increased personal donations can be made will be greatly appreciated."
Maybe we'll find out sooner, rather than later!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhc1sqiaqum.
But the reason for our radical changes in discipline and U-turns in various doctrines is simple; the "light is getting brighter", and all that mumbo-jumbo that C.T. Russell and J.F. Rutherford spouted early on in our history is getting debunked and buried by the newly-recognised FDS (AKA the GB). So in the coming months and years, be prepared to "listen, obey, & be blessed" as the self-named 'glorious ones' gradually direct us to only use publications post-2000 if we are doing research, because of all the "clarifications" and "adjustments".
Thanks to the internet, the 'genie is out of the bottle', and don't they know it!!!!!
the quotation used in today's wt study about the evil slave "being for all practical purposes, hypothetical", is taken from the net bible and was written by a bible 'scholar' from christendom!.
three points:.
1. jesus always spoke by means of illustrations & parables.. 2. matthew 24:45-47 is a parable!.
Just a side issue:
I had to answer, to highlight a blatantly ludicrous assertion made by the GB - that Jesus came in 1919, found them faithful, and gave them some of his possessions to look after. But when he comes back to judge at the time of the end, he examines them again and finds them so faithful again, he puts them in charge of everything else!! Rowan & Martin's Laugh In comes to mind!!
everybody knows it's going to pass.
nobody ever asks if possibly that much money for the circuit overseer's whatever isn't a bit too much, or whatever else the congregation is being asked to agree to.
then the call to raise your hand if in favor of doing the "right thing.
All it takes is for one person to ask a pertinent question! It's amazing how that courage can open some people's minds.
I look forward to the coming requests for "contributions" for the new London Branch.
I vow to ask why it is not being self-financed and vote against the proposal!
the quotation used in today's wt study about the evil slave "being for all practical purposes, hypothetical", is taken from the net bible and was written by a bible 'scholar' from christendom!.
three points:.
1. jesus always spoke by means of illustrations & parables.. 2. matthew 24:45-47 is a parable!.
The quotation used in today's WT study about the evil slave "being for all practical purposes, hypothetical", is taken from the NET Bible and was written by a Bible 'scholar' from Christendom!
Three points:
1. Jesus always spoke by means of illustrations & parables.
2. Matthew 24:45-47 is a parable!
3. All aspects of Jesus' parables and illustrations are 'hypothetical'!
Therefore,.............................. oh to hell with it, go figure it out for yourself!!!!!!
p.s. The answers given this morning were stomach churning; elderly ones who have believed one set of lies for decades, willingly ditched them and replaced them with another load of mind-numbing and convoluted dogma!
